I'm even considering seriously closing my store here. You could say CGt is a service platform that harbors and connects sellers and buyers of specific digital goods, in theory there's no limit to how much people and their digital products/services they could connect. With the support of a strong community we can get this thing going, don't worry about that. Chat with Support 24/7 I'm probably leaving this site for good, but it won't be because of you guys - it's because of the site itself. Some points for and against. On TS buyer cant do such thing, he needs to contact support on TS. Got my model (https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/furniture/cabinet/handles-vol-01-pbr) Noise Treshold: Full collections of objects for 12 bucks is NOT okay. So it is, but it's a matter of time and CGTrader will be able to master these positions. So click on a category. Needed something better and found it at CGt. Personally, I will never sign up to exclusive contracts, others should always get chances to maybe offer better job if they can. Allot of snags and details need to be worked out in order to make this sorts of things happen but the main idea here is to have complimentary forces working together to make a better product. And for good sales you don't need to be there neither because its just your own clients you swing to them. Hi guys, thanks so much for your very valuable comments, they are much appreciated and we are very happy to work with you in order to make CGTrader the best place for 3D designers! Toys (212) Buy or download free 3D models for your CG projects, film and video production, animation, visualizations, games, VR/AR, and others. Renderosity. Thanks for dropping by and great news about an eventual homepage re-design. [/quote] B: CGTrader needs to do SOMETHING about all the damn undercutters. This is due to discrimination in the pricing policy of the "TS" site. So if you think about that when we try selling just 3D models we are actually loosing a great deal of the market. - CGTrader pays a LOT more than TS; TS *keeps* 60% unless you sell exclusively on their site and join their "Squid Guild". Here at CGtrader you can do all of that and much much more which is awesome!! and we lived the evolution of Turbosquid from being a pioneer of the 3D assets market working alongside the real content developers to become a typical corporation with financial backing from angel investors that only cares about financial results and is trying to strive the 3D market towards a monopoly where they can control both the producers and the customers, where acting as just a middleman gets Turbosquid the most profit from both. TS can go to Hell, and never return again. Remember The3DStudio? 2. If the buyer decided to buy after inspecting a sample, the seller would deduct the sample price from another 3d model. Free models are posted for lots of different reasons, not just only to serve as an example to show of artist modeling skills/quality of work (sample data). Of those limited people just a hand full would actually buy models or put money towards models so if TS already has won those people we need to find our own nitch or we go out of business. Here only I have doubts it would be fair to do do is a difference of 20..25% in the price of its models, which are intended for sale in the CGT and TS? I think CG Trader should remain working with printing, however, it's main concern should be CG :D, I would opt for a system that integrates different stores each with its own label/trademark placed under one common trademark (for sake of organization and readability), CGtraders main trademark would then function as a placeholder/main hub for many different sub stores. the only thing that has cgtrader extra is the freelance job posting area. The basic approach would be that every user start with a selection of a store template (including own label option and menu creation capability's) and starts filling his store with own products and products found in the large collective database. Buyer can contact seller directly, which can save him/her lot's of time and frustrations. ! In response to your comments kanga, I would like to add this to the conversation. CGtrader has already surpassed Turbosquid in every Rank, and it has +1 million visits too: https://www.similarweb.com/website/cgtrader.com/?competitors=turbosquid.com, If anything buyers should get lots of points for buying. After selling on TS over 20 years I can share that our sales here are x5-10 higher (partially due to stopped publishing on TS), so why about uploaded your models on artstation marketplace or other market place which allows you to sell in other sites, I think ts is the worth one. No overt similarites in armor designs, guns, vehicles, naming- nothing. I think I do a decent job at earning my keep.. And yes, it this is like if shapeways started doing cg. Maybe CG Trader should consider a large add-on to the site, where the customers can click a link, and go to a whole new site (owned by cg trader) that does sells strictly 3d printable models :) Just an idea :). I like how there is no join up fee. The Ts model does not support such thing and is not up to the task of modern time needs for this industry. Uploading new product is so much more intuitive and easier than TS. Rigged 3D Models | CGTrader 3D Models Buy or download free Rigged 3D Models Rigged 3D models are your best choice when you need a character or object to perform unique movements. It might be a good idea to see what the customer experience is with various market places by making an experimental purchase at each and seeing who has the most effective methods of enticing return visits and encouraging word-of-mouth bumps. CG Trader is easier to navigate, more stimulating perhaps than turbo squid. And CG Trader offers up to 94% royalty rate, where as Turbo Squid gives I believe 60% royalty rate CG Trader more open than Turbo Squid, and when registering, requires less personal information. Ts has always been an overly expensive service and its not that good at all compare to its cost. When I started on cgtrader I had more sales than on TS. Dude, I have from 500$ a month at SGtride and i don't feed fat Turbosquid bastards. A serious problem indeed about Turbosquid is its policy of setting up barriers to avoid having a direct link to customers (this includes banning of al communication technologies). They have more traffic so i'm told. Of course if you are buying models for the next Transformers movie the poly count won't matter that much because those models may be 500,000 each and you have almost unlimited resources to run those. Absurd as it may sound, a lot of customers doesn't even make a simple "XXXX 3D model" search and go to Turbosquid just because that's a name they heard before. The clients like to waste money for a more expensive model at TSquid, perhaps knowing that the artist will get shafted with a measly 40% return, and that's that. And precisely here is where I think resides the greater problem. Like time spent on searching models or ability to get profesional support 24/7. They have a CheckMate program which gives you a higher percentage back from selling your model. with the recent requirements to upload a 3D product on TS, CGT became my number one no doubt, i'm not gonna wast half my life rendering turntables that wouldn't make much of a difference when every seller is doing the same thing. Click here to submit yours . Term of Use on www.turbosquid.com. I mean the good/bad rating left by buyers. For me CGTrader is the best and CGTrader has the best structure of a 3d site !!! Basically just like Turbosquid has done they have become the one stop shop for everything. I can easily imagine that serious clients who value their time very high, might choose TS over CGT without second thought. i think cgtrader can grow stronger with higher quality traffic. Selling 3D models on Ebay or Amazon would probably generate problems? - It's much easier to upload products here than at TS. Then there is the stupid "reputation" point issue. Site issues? I don't get paid until the 3rd, but I thought I'd download some things, look at their quality, fill up a cart and get prepared to purchase when the money comes around. At one hand I could think this was indeed evidence that Ts had some clients that do not know about CGt. --GENERAL--. TS has bather page rank, when someone searches the net it will come on top, simple because it is an older website. Why should the artist suffer? That's what I'm saying all the time and what I didn't like because I was not selling models for 3d printing and reason why I left. You want to put it in your store but it obviously needs some work to make it marketable. I wouldn't ever use their site just on principle. A few months went by with my models offline and during that time my GCt sales gradually went up at a level consistent with the few sales I had left behind on Ts so I just deleted all my models at Ts. It is likely that people will want to try out new things in their stores from time to time. How about Negotiated price? It is pretty awesome!!! Bangalore Escort Cgtrader really goes above and beyond with the customer service side of things. Matt Wisdom describes Turbosquid as "a sort of Ebay" when in fact Turbosquid works exactly the same as classic "supermarket providers" where the reseller profits the most from the producers by keeping them totally apart from the customers. When someone uploads a scanned model for 3D printing and tags it as "low poly", the model will appear even where it shouldn't. Having a direct link/communication is also critical in detecting possible needs and potential new business. That is why I like to use Apple as the example of preference. I tested the CGTrader rigged character morphs for Daz3D studio from your commission and it works like a charm! User experience and User interface is much better to manage your store, and higher royalty. I think the CGT does an amazing job of bringing people together! But Also Turbosquid actively promotes models on their site with the use o. A customer coming in from outside can view stores, search inside a store or still search the global data base. For small buyers this is likely the case, but serious corporate buyers may have other priorities atop of lowest price. If you are doing really bad with sales they let you do whatever you want but if you are doing well they step in and make things difficult. We will only contact you if there's a problem with an order. I'm really happy to see CGTrader growing. This market is changing rapidly and Ts is not adapting to the evolution of connectedness within the global CG community. In short I propose an integration of global search ore collections made by designers. Turbosquid bites the hands that feed them: Brittney Briere, Sep 18, 09:53 SST: Imagine if CGtrader provided a service where they could get photos of the broken mug, then have some artists create a 3D version from the broken pieces and then have it printed for the client and sent to their house or if the client wants they can use their 3D printing company of preference to do it. What I saw after that was a 50 to 50 ration decrease on Ts and increase on my CGt account. 3. https://vimeo.com/739678 It always depends on how you look at this industry from your point of view: - Are you into this market trying to make a living out of it? You just have to check the Sellers forum at Turbosquid to see plenty of complaints about all sorts of abusive policies. So what I did was simply adding the 60% cut to the product on Ts. Blendswap.com5. Turbosquid is the exact opposite. They simply do not get the idea that Turbosquid is just another reseller for the real product developers, and Turbosquid management and "rules" promote exactly that. During all these years we always felt Turbosquid favored a sort of chaos and unfair competition between sellers because they were profiting a lot from that lack of understanding and cooperation between content creators. Yes indeed! They said fraud protection is only reserved for exclusive sellers. I'm just an end-user, one of the people you guys sell to, and the site is a large part of the issue, in multiple ways. The motivation to backlink and make marketing efforts for the own store (and the collective trademark ad the same time) would probable also increase. Any more than 500,000 polygons in one scene and that will make opening and closing it a really long process not to mention that if you trying to animate something in the scene you may have to keep hiding things in various layers or create the animation in a separate one. By registering you confirm that you have read and accept ourTerms of Use, Rigged 3D models are your best choice when you need a character or object to perform unique movements. However, I will agree that sales here aren't as good as TS. That thing is just getting started ;-). That takes longer time. CGtrader is everything Ts is not, CGtader is fair, its open and communicative in all directions, its an inexpensive service, its new and more efficient, has lots of exiting tools, have more sales and get to keep bigger part, its growing fast, its updating and improving fast, etc, etc,. Checkmate is the only good thing Turbosquid has left to offer. https://garagedoorrepairnewportnews.com/garage-door-spring-repair/, Hey, Also, trying to find an item that I already saw through the search is near impossible. The response back was, if they are not adjusted end of the week then we will adjust them. It takes way too long to put up any files. Maybe there is something behind the scenes what you can't know or can't tell? The reason the model is sold at low price .some models have so many other sellers which can lose models value . Thor (Rig) for Maya 15. you should check out all the posts about 3D models quality. So even if TS takes 60%, I still make better profit there because here I get 94% of nothing. Every freelancer is corporation of it's own. CGTrader has the better platform from my point of view, better rates if i remember correct. Does anyone sale something on Cgtrader?where are customers. A rig is like a skeleton of a 3D model, which lets you move and pose it with little effort. When you just start out you have to price your models at 1 dollar or give them away for free but the second you start selling well they take your models offline and force you to raise your prices Once you raise your prices nobody buys and you are back to square 1. For some people with experience that did the math taking all factors in count (not talking about just NoneCG, of course) it was crystal clear since many years ago. @limonadinis This is the Tesla Model 3. You have insufficient credit to complete your purchase. - An improvement in search results based on manual rating from sellers and/or CGtrader staff. While there is some sellers that naively think they can rely on Turbosquid's good will to improve their situation in the future, the rest of us should be start working together towards a collective benefit. If you are a buyer you don't have a lot of time to find what you want especially if you are buying on behalf of your company. It is the best RR in the world ! And reasons can be any. Thanks again guys, and let us know if you have any further comments or questions. Well, it was more than one year ago that I last intervened on this thread. TS staff do their best and is not responsible for the strategic choice of TS CGtrader.com3. I was victim of that there a few months ago, I had a bad rating when the model have never had a problem during many years. CGtrader is founded upon the best ideas and the people hoe believe in it and keep supporting it no matter what and hard work and determination always win. (I prefer not to learn/spent time to handle all the different 3D applications and conversions) Send of two customers so far (here on CGt), hoe asked for a maya version of this model. Pleas just stand your ground, we need people coming in not leaving out. Unlike Turbosquid which has remained practically the same since it was created and that actually has become dodgier over time as they have been adding more and more hoops for artists to jump through just to upload a basic model CGT has been great about constantly listening to it's artists needs and made great improvements! When a buyer leaves a bad rating for a lame reason , TS investigate and contact the buyer and if he doesn't give a serious explanation, Turbosquid has too many models You could have a superman body with an iron man head and spiderman gloves. CGTrader remains a young and very responsive team and listening to members - it's a great quality. The entire way of setting up your model seems backwards and chaotic. The biggest problem with TS is that it is a pyramid scheme if you have a diamond account you have a good chance of selling models but at the low levels you have no chance. @tomislavveg, that is very true, but as marvimation already mentioned, CGT first have to draw those buyers to its web, otherwise there's not much use from all those benefits if there's no buyers who could reap them :]. Thingiverse remains the king for licensing, as you can transfer the licence within the site. Maybe I live in an unrealistic parallel reality, where at least some people still have some dignity and know how and when to differentiate good vs evil and take a public stand with actions instead of just words. I have been the victim repeatedly on TS. Show more, By subscribing you confirm that you have read and accept ourTerms of Use, max, fbx, blend, uasset, tbscene and more, obj, fbx, unitypackage, prefab, mat and more. Comment goo's like this, quote "Awesome model, converted this guy over into maya and he looks great" end quote. I have been very active on a forum of a different 3D model store, but the guys running it seemed to be ignorant about the issue. In that case on CGTrader buyer can contact seller directly and ask him/her to fix the issue. We've been there, even being "Squid Guild exclusive" for some time to test the experience ourselves for real, and after more than 10 years with all our experiences and stats in hand we can state without a doubt that the business model offered by Turbosquid doesn't pay off in the mid-long term. @tomislavveg, on the one hand i agree with you about that, but on the other hand if i would be looking for models i would almost certainly choose TS as my first choice and most likely as a last one before buying. In regards to product awareness and marketing it is also nice to have some special user cases to show off, there is no room to collect user case data in the Ts model. You are just providing a platform." I left the turbosquid from Diamond level . Rank improvement compared to previous 3 months: http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/cgtrader.com +5,816, http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/turbosquid.com +1,026. I think arguments of differences in search are irrelevant when someone is looking for the same model to compare prices between the two biggest players. All because of search. Marius Kalytis (founder of this place) was a 3D artist himself and took notice of the questionable policy's the established market had adopted (leaving room to do it differently). Is it fair if I do? Bottom line is if people are used to buying from TS they won't buy here because they need to use a different system so let's create our own client base. That place is dead for me. What, iterateCGI goos down? disavantages: low budget clients willing to get low quality models for 5$. No matter what the Wisdoms offer you now, they will make you pay x10 later once they are done with their competitors (again). And at the same time, if they periodically do something here, try to add something new, then the TS, as long as I remember it, does not particularly try to become convenient (But at the same time it takes most of the profit !!!). But they can still contact the artist for fixing issues directly here on CGTrader. Yes. So the staff there tries to work The first thing you see is almost only 3D printing assets. https://www.fiverr.com/pixel512/create-a-3d-model-shipping-container Hey there, If that is the case then better not to become exclusive! In fact my sells on TS are actually going down while they go up on CGt. Everything is more and more coming down to individual levels of very friendly and much more human communication. This site is bloated with 3D print ready models, crap models and "adult content / i cant see it". It certainly is an interesting read all together, thanks for documenting it so well and make the whole thing public, although I hope you don't stay embarked on a power struggle whit Ts management. We at NoneCg think that both CGtrader and Sellers will benefit from the exact opposite policy. Determining the optimal cost of the models is an important and difficult moment. For example, I ran into this this morning. I think these are questions that every 3D content creators must honestly answer for themselves. I'm just dreading that sober moment when TS offers to buy CGT to kill off the competition. (2034950) 3D (e.g. These people quote Sun Tzu when you talk to them, so guess their future plans for you. Just uploading on turbosquid is a pain in the butt. Turbosquid is basically a pyramid scheme for the most part unless you are established and have been in the top rank for many years. Animated Lion 3D Model 14. Some may look great for close ups but in a large environment scene or house setting when you have a lot of models to let's say show off the interior design of a model home you need to be very careful on poly count. If you look at the traffic statistics, TS ranks around 9k top sites, and CGT at around 42k, so obviously, people buy more at TS not because they want to spoil the sellers, but rather because they don't come to CGTrader enough and their first place to search is TS. Fine details have been sculpted on the model down to pores and fine lines on the face and body. So let's hope that at some point, the designers of the site will establish some filters to guarantee a minimal quality and, why not, a "good practice charter" for the sellers, or that they will explain some sellers that their attitude is not good in the long term for the site credibility. But i think its not only the responsability of cgtrader to turn this around. Turbosquid.com4. They could put down an amount between 1 to 5 bucks as a deposit and after sampling the model as you suggested they could deduct that amount from the final sale. Yes CGtrader is great! It still remains a puzzle to me, were those few now actually using their CGt account because there was no other way or did I just lose those and just gained some new clients from somewhere ells? A real pointless task. Open a Support Ticket, Licensing questions?Contact your Shutterstock Customer Success Manager. Everything is more and more coming down to individual levels of very friendly and much more human communication. Luckily, non of my sells on TS were refunded so far and i had 3 refunds on CGT, 2 of them was caused by technical reasons from CGT side. Don't know if it's already mentioned in this thread, but in TS you have a refund system, when customer buyed your product has ability to bring back his money and it'll subracted from your earnings, if he doesn't like a model for some reason. After all everyone can afford to put down 1 dollar so it is reasonable. when the same type of issue occurs on CGTrader, the Staff policy is to do nothing. Most people say you get more sales at Turbosquid than any other 3D marketplace, so even if you get a much lower royalty % in the end you get more money, and while this is true up to a point (NOT x80 sales in any case), what most people don't realize is what happens IF your products are NOT in Turbosquid but you continue to sell in other marketplaces and have a bit of patience. That is the most important reason for them to be on CGTrader and it is essential to reward them for helping artist and the site earn money! The rumour that they can "borrow" models for check-out before buy to particularly trustworthy clients could also be true. On the contrary, comparing 2013 to 2014 for the exact same period (January to August) our sales INCREASED in a 45%. Contact your Shutterstock Customer Success Manager, + blend c4d xsi ma lwo 3ds dae dxf fbx obj X, $10,000 in Legal Protection (Indemnification), Uncapped Legal Protection (Indemnification), $1,000,000 in Legal Protection (Indemnification), $250,000 in Legal Protection (Indemnification). The staff on CG Trader seem to be very active and listen to ideas from the community, so I will try to find time and post some ideas on how the problem could be solved.
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