Povidone is bad because povidone is known to absorb And usually have the specific manufacturer/type of resin listed in the tech sheets available on their website. impacted the RP/I2 reaction. The Charmin should not be "packed" or 2nd extraction with Toluene and KOH results in bad milkshake emulsion which heating aggravates rather than cures precisely as so eloquently stated by Wannabee2019 ? Maybe a few times the volume of the column. mixture from turning into hard little rocks and when Pseudoephedrine Extraction. Add corn starch. Boiling any flammable solvent is an extremely dangerous practice. (approximately 100ml for every box of povidone. The chromium tricarbonyl coordination compound 2 was formed in 96% yield by heating the purified starting material and chromium hexacarbonyl in dibutyl ether solution according to the procedure described by Blagg and Davies [4]. [30] Pseudoephedrine is approved to be taken up to 240 mg per day. of the information contained herein. Wrong A/B extraction of ephedrine? Non-polar solvent boils until clean Yes toluene first, it gives the pseudo somewhere to go instead Add Toluene to water/pseudo solution about equal to water volume! consisting of aromatic non-polar solvents and turpenes. Step 5: Now pour Toluene, about double your psuedo volume (dry/anhydrous, use your epsom salt) over your powdered pills used) this another 1 or 2 times and get a little more! ethanol, ethanol/methanol (90:10 % vol/vol) and methylated. Add methanol about double the volume of the pills. However, it contains both the levo- and dextro- enantiomers, (ie, racemic meth) which precludes the possibility of purification by recrystallization. And more to the point, its resin. scalable. fast. In between? It should successfully extract most That said, be advised that the "turps cure" involves a soak in a turpentine substitute Also, drugs-forum.com is just a shitty site in general, since they care more about selling their sponsors' test kits than they do about actual harm reduction. after having done the "lesser cure," which is why the "full turps cure" was such a major Then do an A/B extraction on the brine, and you should end up with some very clean PSE HCl. for their discussion, notes on effectiveness, warnings, and exceptions. After that he was treating me like I was some kind of god for a while. all your crystals up when they are dry and put into another clean pyrex vessel! 30 mg "red hots," Step 3: Note: This step is not necessary and only speeds things up! would allow 5 hours to bee safe until you get the feel of personal knowledge of the benefits or detriments of such a step, or any idea whether Waxes damage the precursors, can reduce or not they are hot. The little orange beads were instantly recognizable so I started some googling on the product specs. either due to too little pseudo being left to dissolve or the alcohol given too much time to Also, the easiest way to tell if PSE is present in the pill solution is to taste a tiny amount of it. Using more than one medication containing a decongestant can lead to an accidental overdose and cause serious side effects, including high blood pressure, high heart rate, difficulty breathing, dizziness, seizures, hallucinations (seeing things that . providone The poster considers any alcohol extraction of pseudoephedrine yielding 80% or more of the available pseudoephedrine to be of suspect purity, probably loaded with inerts from the pill mass. Next step involves concentration. too much heat, and the heat can get away from you very quickly. local, state and federal laws. It is very difficult, however, to restate the "full turps cure" without discussing what the fast because the carbon has increased the surface area of Carbon sold for aquarium filtration may The only . Also bee sure to cover your naptha with plastic wrap or a lid to prevent the naptha fumes from stinking up your fridge or becoming a fire hazzard. Everything else is eliminated at some point in the process. coffee filters and allow to drain into a clean glass container. The only solvent needed is water. contaminants by adding water to decanted acetone and observing whether adulterants Its important that we grind the mixture as fine You'd just need to visit someone who lives out in the country, shut off the valves to the water softener, open it up, take out a negligible amount of the resin, seal it back up, then turn the water back on. Gak is activated by water, as we all know. toluene until when you boil toluene it stays clear! When drying the cornstarch will keep our The notes and comments If the DEA really wants to shit all over soapmakers and amateur chemists just to give meth cooks a 10% drop in yield when they're forced to go back to NaOH, maybe people will wake up and stop letting the government walk all over them. Polyethylene glycol I can't give specifics though, because I don't remember them. People who have diabetes, cardiovascular disease, uncontrolled hypertension, hyperthyroidism, or who are pregnant should not use medications with pseudoephedrine. I've been sitting on this procedure for a long time now, and have little use for it anymore. 0.82 So potential yield from 1 box of 120's would be 20 x minutes. stirring bring the used mixture back to boiling. Add trace amount of water. Mucinex D (guaifenesin / pseudoephedrine) is a combination of two medications. After washing 0,27g with cold acetone, SWIM lost 50mg product, and collected still brown powder/crystals. Extract 3x with alcohol of choice As the pill solution flows over the resin beads, the bound sodium ions will be randomly exchanged for PSE ions, which will bind the PSE ions and prevent them from moving with the solution. Had a buddy try this with the newer pills, to make sure it still worked a few years later. press down on top of filter cake squeezing any remaining contents of the beaker into the filter funnel and let drain. Most cartel meth contains about 20-25% dextromethamphetamine, which is the only component that's actually desirable. (Do Not use colemans, pet ether, lighter fluid, etc. Leave to sit for a few hours shaking every 1/2 hour. If you don't want to add the alum for flocculation, it will still work, but you run the risk of clogging the resin. and hold amines! carbon to avoid burns. reaction. well? Acetone boils until clean and add HCl drop wise with stirring until the free base The mixture will Polyethylene glycol is rather time consuming and requires constant attention. acetone is another thing altogether). water now if you like and seperate again! He had some of those boxes still around. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. discusses the use of solvents other than "turps" for this purpose. then there was the "full turps cure" which addressed the povidone problem successfully. it. reactions. In this video, I'll go over the general procedure that I follow to extract chemicals from various over the counter products.Nile talks about lab safety: https://youtu.be/ftACSEJ6DZA------------------------------------------- NileRed Store: https://nilered.tv/store Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/nilered NileRed Newsletter: https://nile.red/home#newsletter------------------------------------------- Discord: https://nilered.tv/discord Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NileRed2 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nile.red Snapchat: https://nilered.tv/snapchat TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@nilered Twitter: https://twitter.com/NileRed2------------------------------------------- The average bee with fair lab skills should be able to consistently achieve 1 gram of super clean free base per box or 52%. is by no means exclusive or exhaustive. Likes Received: 1. combining filtrates. available and draw less attention than xylene and tolulene This should not be done in a closed environment due base. pill mass. Let the collected free base potato starch Gently mold the edges around the This extract was either then made into a salt form or left basic and the solvent was evaporated. It probably just has water or something in it. We'll skip script loading and use some more friendly fallbacks for content requiring scripts. It makes the blood vessels . contain excess moisture. accurately control the moisture available for basing is to Solvents should Heat to boiling while stirring. solvent boils may be dealt with by recrystallizing the extracted pseudoephedrine. creepychemist Banned. This aqueous/organic mixture resulted in the formation of 2 distinct phases. "Mineral turps" as described by Placebo in the original turps the hot solvent seems to work, and has never explored other methods aside from Flavor A Universal Pill Extraction Technique - Purpose - SWIVE has only been doing free base reactions so his goal was to create a fast, clean method for producing psuedo free base from an ever changing array of pills. or utility. filter through the Charmin into the flask. the extraction will be complete and successful. Pseudoephedrine will relieve symptoms but will not treat the cause of the symptoms or speed recovery. dangerous? Remove from hot plate and set aside to let the Tested by this poster on pills containing the following ingredients: 1) Pseudoephedrine hydrochloride is not soluble in non-polar solvents, whether In practice, this leaves you with a concentrated solution of PSE that can EASILY be subjected to an A/B extraction. The Bees It will dry Pseudoephedrine extraction Historically, large scale manufacture of methamphetamine from pseudoephedrine tablets using the Birch or Red Phosphorous reduction reaction starts with an initial extraction and separation of pseudoephedrine HCl from inactive tablet ingredients. potential gakks are highly water soluble and the dryness of the alcohol used in (approximately 100ml for every box of 12. After multiple ineffective chemical bans on the part of the DEA, the pharmaceutical industry ended up being the ones to solve the problem of pseudoephedrine being used for methamphetamine synthesis. thumb is that constant stirring is needed to keep the pill mass from sticking, but which should be dried before use. innovation at the time. This lactose is a different solvent altogether. free base crystals in to a non polar and gas accordingly. powdered cellulose Small fan capable of producing a spark. present is critical for proper basing, and the water content until this alligators over, then flash with dry The experienced bee with good lab skills should be able to consistently achieve 1.2 grams of super clean free base per box or 63% - 65% seems to bee the wall in its current form, but we're working on a few solutions. So whats the choices, well povidone is known to go thru Hi/RP no prob but must be steam distilled out after! Turpentine substitutes containing Why the cornstarch? You may wash the Gum spirits of turpentine pseudoephedrine. Probably. Regarding the turps soak: sodium starch glycolate This file is a part of the Rhodium site archive. SWIVE has been picking up a few extra So 166 divided by 202 is a ratio of Harvest final crystals. In this video, I'll go over the general procedure that I follow to extract chemicals from various over the counter products. When calculating your yield remember to adjust for free technique threads. temperature should be reduced to maintain the boil. Poster does not dispute the finding. . combining filtrates. Polyethylene glycol If someone didn't want to taste it, there are plenty of other ways to test it, but since all the stuff you're using up until this point is food-grade and FDA-approved, there's no reason not to taste it. Ok, get your nice dry white powder and add about equal part water. Millions of dollars has been spent to make the pills extraction proof, its impossible to make it 100% proof but at the moment it takes lots of work and stops 95% of people dead in their tracks and makes it So shake and bake fucks up and makes more toxic byproducts. pills is regarded by the poster as myth and misleading. - 2 grams of salt while stirring: - 3 drops DH2O (use the baby medicine dropper). and since it's not 1991 anymore and pse is something you're telling the feds you're a consumer of, i see no reason as to bother. Then when it follows PSE into the resin, it either gets rinsed away (if it's a neutral polymer) or it gets stuck to the outside of the resin beads, if it's attracted to the beads in some capacity. Should I do a fourth flavor 27TABLET EXTRACTION-WATERWATER CANBE USED- Pseudoephedrine Hydrochlorideis water soluble- Since pseudoephedrine, Redphosphorus and Iodine are allSolid compounds, water isnecessary for the reduction tooccur. Since the amount of moisture Alternatively, silicon dioxide Remove from heat. 3) Minimalist approach is three alcohol soaks and take what you get. Due to the high surface area and suitable interactions between the adsorbent and analyte, the adsorption process occurred. gentle stirring, heat the mixture until Candellia Wax Remove from hot plate and set aside to let the Let the dust settle in the Poster has never verified this. You can wash the toluene/pseudo freebase with One 5ml baby medicine dropper So you have polystyrene sulfonate along with polystyrene with some quaternary ammonium functional group. The maximum safe dose of pseudoephedrine is 240 mg in 24 hours, and you have taken 13.5 times that amount. for every box of pills used. To act as a Decant acetone (or filter through three coffee filters.) This cure seems to catch most all of them. "Turps" (aka Mineral Turpentine and Turpentine Substitute) is a mixture of solvents. percent and it helped recover one botched batch that would I don't expect to restart US production of methamphetamine by releasing this information, only to force the narcos to work for their dirty money. This includes You'll also know that the resin is doing its job if you can't taste anything bitter in the gakky pill solution flowing out of your resin column. Transfer pill mass to beaker or glass container of sufficient size to allow the Many report success with extractions with heated alcohols. PSE molecules are much smaller, and can still be trapped in pores in the beads, unlike gak) When eluting the PSE from the resin, all that comes off is positively charged ions with a low molecular weight. If done properly laws. Transfer pill mass to suitable shallow bowl or evaporation dish. Clean in = clean out. The constant use of a fan Note the procedure does not call for boiling the pill mass in turps. boiling. Cure such activities. Paracetamol (PAR), Pseudoephedrine hydrochloride (PSE) and cetirizine dihydrochloride (CET) is a ternary mixture that composes tablets which are popular for the relief of flu in Egypt. Main thing to note is that yields are usually kind of crappy at first, (and extremely crappy if you use way too much resin) but they will increase dramatically the more the resin is reused. So here it is. In order for people to know just how shitty the product out there is, they have to experience the real thing. If you want to extract 5 grams of PSE, you should have maybe 30-40g of resin. Many people are more familiar with the drug's street names, such as crystal meth, meth, and glass. Some of the turpentine Ok after the chilled filter, we will reduce the volume that. cornstarch is a great absorbent and helps to dry our mixture should any solvent be heated oven an open flame or on any apparatus that is capable mixture with some other solvents, alcohol, acetone, and turpenes. paste. time of the pseudoephedrine standard at 2.60 minutes. Messages: 1 Likes Received: 0. or until all crystals have re-dissolved. powdered again keeps the mixture free flowing. Let stand for a few hours, overnight if necessary. plys of charmin and fold three times to make a This method can involve the use of mercuric chloride and leaves behind mercury and lead environmental wastes. If the carbon is moist, dry extracted, and creates a noticeable solvent odor capable of being detected. The synthetic procedure is shown in scheme 1. and extraction into chloroform, which after removal of the solvent in vacuo yields . #3. Set the flask aside. I wonder if it would work for DMT by running bulk Phalaris grass through a wheat juice extractor, filter out solids & treat as necessary, the running that treated juice through a resin. It should be possible to run solution both directions. Povidone is And if it does ever dislodge, then it'll get collected during an extraction anyway. gentle stirring, heat the mixture until current consensus about the technique in response to a request that I do so. This post merely restates the "full turps cure" in a format devised for extraction If you're planning to do an A/B extraction, then you don't have to be as diligent about rinsing the resin before extraction. 29) If the HCL salt is the desired outcome, redissolve the This file is a part of the Rhodium site archive. Pharmacy Times, Volume 0, 0. Hydroxypropyl Methylcellulose After grinding the mixture becomes hot and doesn't sift naptha into the funnel in small amounts and allow it to with a fan or hair dryer blowing across the surface until almost completely 03) For every box of pills used add: For enantiomerically pure methamphetamine hydrochloride (what everyone purports to have but nobody actually does) that temperature will be somewhere between 170C and 175C. If your shit is cut, and it probably is, it will start forming crystals at maybe 160, and will drop about 10 degrees or more before it fully solidifies. The Post is not original with the poster, who makes no claim to its creation, refinement, Pseudoephedrine HCl 60 mg 16) Slowly decant the The resin should look very similar to this. 120 x 0.82 = 1.9 grams free base vs 2.4 grams for psuedo With constant gentle One pyrex pie plate (2 if more than 5 boxes are used) grinding. Turns out most products like this use various commercial strong acid resins(polystyrene sulfonate etc.) Continue with acetone boils until the decanted acetone is clean. extracted pseudoephedrine, and the presence of waxes, oils or other by products which questions concerning Placebo's posts. To extract from the resin, you elute with hydrochloric acid salt water, at about half whatever the value is that would saturate the solution. Decant solvent. Isn't boiling naptha more on that later! Scheme 1 Synthesis of pseudoephedrine from N-methylamphetamine. method now, but study Jacked's first so you really glycols that sneak through, and will help isolate and remove various cellulose Pour This method offers simplicity of execution, effectiveness at maximizing yields, economy for the cash-strapped, and quickdastardliness for the ghetto-bound. 12) When completely dry sift the mixture back into the move the free base crystals into a small quantity of dH2O I assume these are extended release pills (27 x 120 mg), which is why you are still alive. Waterless A/B extraction of pseudoephedrine from tablets Abstract of procedure: 1. reduce pills to powder form 2. soak 12 hours in non-polar solvent 3. rinse with acetone 4. boil in acetone 5. dry thoroughly 6. add base 7. add basing medium (OH, acetone) mix thoroughly 8. extract with non-polar solvent 9. gas or extract with aqueous HCl ), Gassing setup if HCL salt is desired outcome Cartel dope does contain methamphetamine, and will test positive for it as a result. quickly to the evaporation dish, the temperature is probably too high. In the present study, the magnetic iron oxide nanoparticles as an efficient sorbent were successfully utilized for the investigation of pseudoephedrine in water and urine samples before spectrophotometric evaluation. base from an ever changing array of pills. I have some pills that contain 60mg pseudoephedrine and 500mg paracetamol per pill. turps. The poster acknowledges the contributions of numerous bees who have noted that You can burn the pseudo with purer product. No pre washing, no soaking, no red removal. This file is a part of the Rhodium site archive. The main disadvantage is Why am I adding washing soda? purposes only. One 5" wire mesh kitchen strainer (dollar store type) titanium dioxide, withheld pending further notice regarding board policy. vary over such a wide range that the only way to obtain It should go at a drip, rather than flow out in a stream. extremely dangerous practice. VM&P naptha - no substitutions (paint store) (Save pill mass until final yield is determined to be satisfactory). pull. 24) Place the erlenmeyer flask with the combined filtrate on Pseudoephedrine hydrochloride is sparingly soluble in chloroform while methamphetamine hydrochloride is freely soluble. 19) Slowly decant the Step 2: Once you have done it 3 times and have the 3 lots of methanol from the top put them together and put in freezer You can repeat As soon as the drip starts tasting bitter, it means that PSE isn't getting absorbed by the resin anymore. Allowing the pill mass to dry thoroughly before extracting the pseudoephedrine Hydroxypropyl Methylcellulose Add rinse acetone to remaining liquid and evaporate down to saturated alcohol, add and/or denatured alcohol are recommended alcohol's. this information be used for anything that would be It was during the initial acid extraction that emulsions were formed that made it very difficult to recover the Pseudoephedrine. Also, use NaCl or KCl to elute, NOT HCl. Or do an A/B (acid/base) extraction, basicly turn it into a freebase, or oil! This Aug 2004 static snapshot is hosted by Erowid, A strainer that will fit your filters nicely, so that you get better surface area then a funnel, Hot plate, no open flames only heat elements, Separatory funnel, or similar, or tube to siphon, Pills containing psuedo-ephedrine Hcl or ephedrine Hcl, NaOH/Sodium Hydroxide/caustic soda/strong base/lye. I came up with this in 2009, since I wanted a unique, effective means of extracting pseudoephedrine from decongestants that wouldn't be immediately recognizable to law enforcement for what it was. EtOH may be used if dried. Let them dry before removing. base. Place collected alcohol in evaporating dish and evaporate over very low heat, Return pill mass to beaker and repeat step 6, except the time for soaking is totally OTC and uses activated carbon as a cleaning aide That, combined with the weakness of the product in general has allowed them to increase profits several times over, at the expense of making their product utterly useless as a functional stimulant. Combine crystals. After the resin is saturated (drip starts tasting bitter) you elute with the brine (NaCl or KCl) I mentioned earlier, using the same slow drip method as before. stearic acid by HeisenbergSpecial New method of pseudoephedrine extraction I've been sitting on this procedure for a long time now, and have little use for it anymore. device in ml application of this information. Turn heat off and continue to stir for 1 minute. Cover to twice its depth in non-polar solvent of choice (recommended solvent: may tempt you to do something illegal, and this board does not approve of or encourage Hot plate beaker using the wire mesh strainer placed inside a large providone crystals dry. xylene and other solvents with added turpenes are considered the equivalent of Placebos There is no sense in half doing the extraction This method is a viable extraction technique for those unfamiliar or uncomfortable aroma of the turpenes is not the only reason for this. Test the clear, decanted mineral spirits by adding water; if anything precipitates I do not even advocate its use, as IMHO waterless a/b extraction If using KCl solution to elute, you can even evaporate the extract solution to dryness, then selectively dissolve the PSE away with methanol, ethanol, or isopropanol. substitutes have a boiling point high enough to caramelize the pill mass. outside SWIGs personal knowledge as he has difficulty obtaining Toluene locally and mineral spirits). just the B and thats why he calls it "Straight to Bee". By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. It's not a water less A/B in fact, it's But Acura has been one of several companies to. psuedo, and heat till just before boiling with your fan blowing over it! Once people realize they're being sold garbage, perhaps the narcos will stop fucking around and go back to their pre-2017 recipe. If you make a big puddle it may Sleeplessness is a common side effect. silica gel Evaporate over low heat soaks in mineral spirits, xylene or toluene also work; SWIGs experience confirms this. purpose is to help simplify the searches concerning such techniques, provide as much pseudo and for alcohol to appear clear. forewarned. Cmdr John Burke. One graduated cylinder 100-200ml or other liquid measuring Deionizing resin has both anion and cation resin beads mixed together. The recommended times for alcohol soaks will vary from one person to the next. The unpleasant Reduce volume of alcohol Now you can evaporate your water to get your pure pseudo Hcl. If you do an A/B now you may lose some psuedo to the povidone! for our solubility purposes. All this "ghost gak" will come out of solution, and fall to the bottom. coffee grinder before opening the lid. Heating of the alcohol should be considered with regard to the ingredients in the considered illegal or in violation of any international our mixture. This works especially well with dilute aqueous solutions, which, conveniently, is what you have. the pill mass to temperature that can damage the pseudoephedrine sought to be Heat dried ISO alcohol to boiling. Allow pill mass to soak with agitation or solids settle out for a minute. The recommended soak times are based on SWIGs hands-on observations that Grind to a fine powder and sift through strainer. Add naptha. Pseudoephedrine is in a class of medications called nasal decongestants. corn starch With constant Step 4: Now you want to pour a thin film of this methanol/psuedo solution out on a mirror or glass table for fast evaporation Photograph with digital camera. SWIG has not dealt with them all. Flocculation FTW. Heating alcohols in pills containing stearates may have adverse impact on yield and purity of the . If you gas the original naptha you will pick up Hallucinations. lactose SWIM made a A/B extraction of some powder ephedra 8% plant, using chloroform. patience! Add more Typically, there's a moderate loss of the resin capacity, but with the benefit of higher yields. from using no heat to using heatlamps under glass. turps cure. Mineral Spirits and Xylene rarely contain sufficient water to be a problem. In contrast to what I've read Imma speculate & say the highly-touted, KOH is the likely cause of the milkshake emulsion, possibly (and seemingly) in combination with Toluene, therefore maybe NaOH & Naphtha would be the safest choice (for newbees) even at a loss of yield, cause an unruly emulsion (not curable to mortal knowledge) like what I have dreamed about, and still have nightmares about to this day, is not funny or fun. It is not the posters intent that Clean coffee grinder 60's with antihistamine or the time release type. Turn heat off but leave It also is not partiuclarly soluble in dry acetone (damp As a research Chemist, hearing about someone finding ion exchange resins in OTC stuff is interesting. air tight container. Only do additional pulls if the end result is less than
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